Objectivity is a subjectively chose gesture
Submitted by WideAwake12 on Fri, 01/11/2013 - 10:30.
In someone's thinking. I can't recall reading a better article that was paired with an equally good response in a long time. Conner Habib and Drew Hempel. You both shine light and bring hope.
And so a reader of Realitysandwich responded to my comment
Funny how my comment was censored. haha. I reposted it -- only "fortified" with some specific quotes from Elizabeth Marshall Thomas. Of course Realitysandwich has been "shocked" before by my critiques of their New Age theosophist propaganda. There's some good info on realitysandwich but some stuff I disagree with. All in the name of free speech - you would think. haha.
Conner Habib is a gay porn star yet science has proven that homosexuality did not exist for 90% of human history -- the San Bushmen original human culture had no homosexuality. Even E.O. Wilson, the biologist, considers homosexuality to be proven as genetic. So science is very specialized -- scientists are limited -- E.O. Wilson has not taken seriously the empirical anthropological evidence of Elizabeth Marshall Thomas -- she has the proof -- there was no homosexuality for the original human culture going back to 100,000 BCE.
"Interestingly, the Ju/wasi took no position on homosexuality, which seemed unknown. Researchers of other hunter-gatherer societies have also found an
absence of homosexuality. Perhaps the Old Way, with its arduous lifestyle, does
not transmit this quality."
That's from Elizabeth Marshall Thomas' last book on the Khoisan – the Old Way. And from her first book – The Harmless People – the first on the Khoisan, after extensive anthropology work:
"Khoisan believe that it harms a girl terribly to be possessed before she is mature. It might even drive her mad. Khoisan have no real solution to this, as there are no prostitutes and only in a few bands are there promiscuous women. Homosexuality is not permitted either; the young men just have to get used to being tempted constantly but never gratified."
What was the secret of males constantly being tempted but never gratified? Maybe they were gratified – through the internal climax! That's the secret – the vagus nerve – the Khoisan males go through a month long training to learn this secret.
So psychologically -- this issue of NDEs is very similar to proof that homosexuality is based on genetics and not on morality. Even in non-western cultures -- like with Master Nan, Huai-chin of Mahayana Buddhism, it's recognized that NDEs are not "real" in the sense of truly going to heaven, etc. -- because just as scientific skeptics state -- the person did not really die.
Even in quantum physics scientists state that the infinite potential does not exist -- until it is measured. It is not that the infinite potential is randomized before it is measured. Nor is it that the infinite potential is an "unknown" that exists but can not be known. On the contrary -- the infinite potential does not exist until it is measured. Science is based on circular logic that goes back to the very issue of "incommensurability" in mathematics -- as Math Professor Luigi Borazacchini states -- the difference between science and reality is based on a "deep pre-established disharmony."
Some philosophers and math professors acknowledge that real numbers are not logically proven - they are a "convenient fiction" to quote Bertrand Russell. They are a mathematical error of long division as J.J. Asher, the award-winning math teacher states in his essay: The Myth of Irrational Numbers. But science does not use "pure" mathematics. The logic is proof by contradiction and so infinity is assumed to be "contained" by a materialistic and geometric measurement -- the distance as number is subsumed into the geometry as length. The point of long division for numbers is secretly converted to a line as geometry into the real number line.
And so, as math professor Joe Mazur states, there are no "infinitesimal measuring tools." Because of this -- the Motion Paradox of Zeno will never be solved by science. The same Motion Paradox exists for NDEs.
I have studied NDES -- for example the fascinating Biography Channel show -- "I Survived: Beyond and Back." I have watched the NDE documentaries and I've listened to the Skeptico podcasts on NDES, interviews with the authors, etc. Now there is a very subtle point that is made in the NDE visions. Yes some people go to Hell and some go to Heaven. But for example one person asked if the light of heaven was God and she was told -- the light of heaven is the breathing of God.
In other words the final reality is not subjective nor is it objective. The final reality is -- inherently -- unknown -- as quantum physics has proven. It is non-local and entangled and even holographic -- but it can not be seen as light nor can it be measured by technology. Logically the final reality, as quantum physicist Bernard d'Espagnat details so well in his Templeton Award winning quantum research on consciousness -- logically the final reality can be inferred. Logically inferred. This is what Socrates taught also and what Buddha taught and it's also the real teachings in the Bible. Logically inferred -- not seen, not even experienced through the personal state of awareness.
It's actually very simple - if not the NDE then what other state can be considered by humans? Of course that state is deep dreamless sleep. If the NDE is just a subjective experience then what of deep dreamless sleep? The fact is the normal person experiences no sense of time, no sense of space and no visions, etc. in deep dreamless sleep. And yet when we wake up we realize we got a good night's rest -- our bliss is restored. Logically we can infer that we still existed in our deep dreamless sleep -- but who we are -- logically we can infer -- that who we are is not our visions, nor a sense of time nor space.
Is consciousness just a biological after-effect -- a sort of automaton reaction from waking up from sleep? Or do we still exist as a person with consciousness even in deep dreamless sleep? Consciousness is not a vison, nor a thought, nor a sense of time, nor of space - nor is it personal, nor is it subjective nor is it objective. Consciousness is the reality that is always-already -- it is logically inferred as the source of the I-thought. Consciousness - that which is eternal -- and never changing - is called the Emptiness in Taoism or in Buddhism -- it is called Brahman in India -- it is the "infinite potential" in quantum physics.
The NDE can not capture this consciousness except in the descriptions of a void, blackness that was traveled through. Dr. Eben Alexander states he had to remember a particular melody in order to arouse his consciousness out of a sort of lower astral realm and then he was able to return to his experience of a higher astral realm. But as Mahayana Buddhism explains there are "different levels of Emptiness" and there are "different levels of consciousness."
See reality is not based on symmetric math as Western science relies on. Reality is based on complementary opposites -- yin and yang -- the musical Perfect Fifth and Perfect Fourth - the quantum "time-frequency uncertainty principle." And so a person with a low level of consciousness goes to Hell when they die and a person with a high level of consciousness goes to heaven. This is reflected holographically in their own body. Heaven and Hell exist within our own bodies. Tibetan monks know this - and so when a person dies they see which part of the body goes cold last. That demonstrates where the dead person's electromagnetic spirit was focused in their body - and holographically whether the person goes to Heaven or to Hell.
But nevertheless Emptiness and Consciousness eternally resonate through different levels and Emptiness remains impersonal - the substrate of reality -- called the eighth Level of consciousness in Mahayana Buddhism - the consciousness of the Universe. The NDE passes through Emptiness but does not actually obtain the eighth level of consciousness because that requires the body physically dying. As long as the spirit is still attached to the body then it has not totally physically died yet.
Science does not even recognize a spirit -- but it is called biophotons in quantum biology - that's the closest science has gotten. Or the quantum entanglement based on the Zeno Effect discovered in bird migration and photosynthesis in plants. So a person's heart can stop and they can be dead but their spirit can still be attached to their body and even can do miraculous things with their body and their brain -- visions and healing -- as happened with Dr. Eben Alexander.
Many spiritual masters -- like Ramana Maharshi had his heart stop for over ten minutes - and that was when he achieved "eternal liberation." This means in Mahayana Buddhism he emptied out his seventh level of consciousness. But to truly empty out his eighth level of consciousness he has to empty out the first five levels of consciousness of the body. At that stage then multiple physical bodies are created at the same time - bilocation or "yang spirits" in Taoism. But only when the person retains subjective personal consciousness of those multiple spiritual bodies - and yet is not attached to them by staying in the Emptiness of the eighth level of consciousness of the Universe - then they have achieved Supreme Complete Enlightenment.
My later comment linking the above vid and the vid description was not censored - but I posted it simply as a response of another commenter replying to my "gay porn star" outing of Conner Habib - and how it was "depressing" for Conner Habib -- which Conner vehemently denied. haha. I dare say the above video shows otherwise.
Most porn stars make pornography out of choice, not economic compulsion.
Gee interesting comment consider the psychophysiology of porn is entirely based on compulsion - so to "externalize" that dopamine addiction from the economic side of the industry seems silly to me.
Anyway obviously Conner is in denial -- but even more than that -- whether he got Reality Sandwich to censor my comment or some moderator decided it was "too long", etc. - that doesn't hold water as any regular reader of the website knows that the comment section can go on seemingly endlessly - maybe not as one long comment but certainly the same person can post over and over, etc. So whatever.
I just find it funny that a supposed "spiritual evolution" website is scared of me presenting empirical evidence because it's not politically correct. Sorry but that's how evolution works - just deal with the truth! haha.
yea thats the thing about these 'new-agey' communities, whether internet websites or even houses dubbed as buddhist temples. Its like the substitute for church. I remember visiting a buddhist temple house and seeing everyone sitting in chairs and facing the walls. I thought it was kinda strange considering you could do that yourself in your own house, but some people like the community feeling i guess.
ReplyDeletepretty funny. Yeah there was a Buddhist communal living house of a white European Buddhist lama leader. The group free community meditation allowed outsiders so I sat in doing my full lotus. At the time I was "flexing" the pineal gland -- I didn't even do that in the house but my neck was pulsating and making this loud cracking noises. The meditation leader of the house was very flamboyantly -- in the most homosexual area of the city -- so I assumed he was gay.
DeleteAnyway I checked out their books -- one of the house members was a younger dude who had seen me in full lotus at the lake nearby -- he later told me they were all freaked out by me sitting in full lotus. haha.
He wanted to learn full lotus though and he peppered me with questions -- and then he checked out a couple other Zen Buddhist outfits -- one of them I had read his book saying how Buddhism is the same as western quantum physics. I said this is not true because he's promoting randomness as quantum physics, etc. I mean the math is totally different, etc.
Anyway I, of course, told him about Spring Forest Qigong -- but he was in community college, his dad a hard worker selling fish. Good people all around.
Yeah like you said people want community. Buddhism is very much like Catholicism -- especially Western Buddhism.
Of course the Western Occult scene with the Crowley satanic flirtations is just the mirror reversal of Christianity -- so you get the same "rituals" yet now supposedly having some real magical powers, etc. haha.
yeah i guess it all boils down to how serious a person is about their training and study. if they arent willing to go all the way then the little things will stop them, like comments which challenge their beliefs haha.
DeleteWow after I reposted my above comment -- Reality Sandwich took it down again and then banned me.
ReplyDeleteSo I guess after years of Reality Sandwich censoring me - it's only to be expected that they would finally ban me.
Yeah- Gary Wilson, yourbrainonporn.com, reuniting.info- these things go against the grain of all that is "liberal", "progressive", etc. Which is funny because it's actually a fairly radical stance, and certainly Marnia Robinson has her rap all tied in with esoteric wisdom traditions; one would think that young white anarchists would eat it up!
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that the liberal attitude towards sex that you are encountering on RS- I mean the utter taboo of, god forbid, critiquing any sexual practice or style- is every bit as nervous and unreflective as the conservative repression that it was rebelling against in the first place. And in fact it has proved to be much more harmful to society... although very few people seem willing or able to acknowledge that. Is it not obvious that our entire culture is pornographic, utterly dissipated? Turn on just about anything on TV and you get the icky feeling.
I mean I sympathize.... it made me incredibly nervous when I started considering the implications of the possibility that, hey, maybe homosexuality shouldn't be vigorously championed, that maybe pornography was a problem and not a god-given beautiful form of free expression, ha! As a young white liberal I mean... you're brought up to think such ideas are one step away from implementing gas chambers.
Glad to see Gary Wilson brought up here. Stumbling across reuniting.info years ago definitely had a huge impact on my ideas at an impressionable age.
As for buddhism- I once entered into a guru-student relationship with a Vajrayana buddhist guy who was a disciple of Trungpa Rinpoche. That ended my immersion in Buddhism pretty fast! He was uncomfortably flirty with me, possessive, and drank heavily! The whole thing went down in flames after he displayed some pretty extreme angry episodes. Also he had a house guest for a time who he basically treated as his slave... the poor guy would complain about being mistreated all the time to me. It was all very strange. At the time I thought "this is all some kind of guru headfuck that he is trying to put me through"... but now I see that he was just a very confused human believing himself to be extremely spiritually accomplished.
And then I read Trungpa Rinpoche's biography and was like "no wonder! This guy was totally messed up, what were all his followers thinking??"
Yeah the whole AIDS spread was really tragic and the dude -- obviously - was not a spiritual teacher but it shows just how misled Westerners are -- without the experience of any real energy transmissions.
DeleteIt's like - if someone has never experienced something totally different and then they think they have found it but it's not it at all - then obviously so many people are easily misled.
So I did research. I mean when I first experienced Effie P. Chow -- she had us make "chi balls" with our hands and I could feel strong electromagnetic force pushing my hands apart. Then when everyone was leaving the security guard wandered in wondering why the fuse had blown in the room behind the qigong master. haha. My girlfriend was with me at Effie P. Chow but she remained skeptical!!
So then I researched it more -- I read David Eisenberg's Encounters with Qi book and that really convinced me -- also Effie P. Chow's Miracle Healing in China book. Then I keep researching - but I wasn't obsessed -- it was just one other interest.
Oh yeah in 1994 I even went to NYC for the Stonewall 25 gay rights march -- with activist friends from Madison WI. So I have experience in the gay rights movement - I worked closely with a gay activist in Minneapolis and I've had a gay best friend and gay coworkers in an activist environment and gay housemates, etc.
So yeah it's ironic that if I point out empirical truth -- evidence - then I'm censored as some typical reactionary or something. haha.
No -- this energy training goes way beyond the progressive activist scene indeed.
I've never heard of Eisenberg, I'll see if I can find a copy of that.
ReplyDeletePersonally I have never experienced any kind of direct energy transmission, but all it took for me to change my views was to stop ejaculation for periods of time- suddenly I could see and feel the energy blockages going on all around me, pretty much in every corner of society. Especially in media. I think "cheating" with psilocybin and cannabis combined with yoga and non-emission probably helped. At least this was enough for me to accept that pretty much the entire model of materialism and modern liberalism was upside down.
Which I think is true for a lot of people, at least a feeling that there's something wrong with the predominant conception of reality, but this is also the problem- it's what drives people to be misled by all sorts of stuff like you said. Psychedelics seem to produce this kind of phenomena in most people- they get a glimpse of something real but then don't know how to proceed in any real way. I mean, I've certainly been through lots of that.
At least in my experience the abstention from ejaculation has been a kind of compass; certainly I saw through that Vajrayana guy because of it. And he was always making casual references to "jerking off", haha.... yuck.
But anyways what you're saying about the need for real energy transmissions makes total sense to me because I still feel like I don't really know what to do.... just keep meditating and not ejaculating and hope for the best!
Well the "small universe" c.d. from http://springforestqigong.com is really an amazing alchemy tool.
DeleteI like it when my mind is still awake enough to focus -- mind yoga.
When the channels really open up then the self concentration -- the source of the I-thought -- is crucial. I didn't know this -- also focusing on the lower tan tien.
But getting to that level of entering the Emptiness -- nirvikalpa samadhi -- it is very rare in modern society and then as Master Nan, Huai-chin says - most have "heroic over-exuberance" -- use the spiritual powers that develop before nirvikalpa samadhi - and therefore "fall back into worldliness."
Anyway also full lotus -- as Chunyi Lin says 20 minutes of full lotus meditation equals four hours of any other kind of meditation. haha.
Still so many people take energy instead of give it -- and that's not bad necessarily -- I mean full lotus also takes energy in but also transforms it.
So yeah without the real shen transmissions -- or shakti - the laser holographic energy -- then people practice but have never tasted what it should feel like when the channels are really open and the energy is strong.
So I recommend a phone healing from Chunyi Lin.
I would love to do psilocybin - I was going to look into culturing it -- ordering spore.
But still mind concentration and when the energy is really built up as electromagnetic fields -- it is much more powerful and lucid than psychedelics - because the energy is stored up and then can be transmitted to others at will.
No need for any external tools, etc.
But for people who don't understand it or believe it -- they freak out or think a person is lazy if they want to sit in their room for six hours a day meditating. They project all their bad thoughts onto the person. haha.
Yeah words and writing go against meditation also -- so posting online has to then be reversed in meditation.
I definitely recommend growing mushrooms; the hobby is just as rewarding as the trip! I did a good bit of this a couple years ago and really enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteI do notice that after sitting in full lotus, my language center is much quieter for a while and my spatial awareness seems "more dimensional". Which enforces my intuition that language is like a trap or a prison that guards us from reality. Or that we are pathologically left-brain dominant at this point in our history, something like that guy was saying in "Left In the Dark". But yes, re-engaging in words and writing noticeably contributes to the meditation fading away.
Guess we should stop talking about it, ha!
o.k. I'll look it up today to order spores. thanks.
DeleteYeah I agree with the mushroom thing. haha.
ReplyDeleteI would have to agree with McKenna as for the mushroom "speaking." It does so not in left-brain language of words etc. It does so telepathically, in such a way that I could not explain to you in words - but it emphatically shows that it is actually YOU as the Void, lonely, but not lonely at all, that is the revelation itself.
Very inspiring, because after the experience, it left me as even more compassionate/devoted to Nature and just anything wild. haha. And, I began having more lucid dreams with potential symbolic messages for my own psyche development. Revealing out of my subconscious bits from my childhood trauma that I need to focus on.
Even in the experience, I was being downloaded this information bit by bit. Of course, it wouldn't have been as blissful without the trance music emanating out of my iTunes. haha. My lower body literally started doing hoolo-hoop dance patterns on the floor. My body started dancing out of control. Well, out of control according to my brain, or fear based mind!
Very cool experience. I'm also going to grow some magic this spring.
awesome! thks for sharing.
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